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democrats and a lot of big stuff. you may have heard there is a monday deadline for the half a billion dollar bond that he must pay. when i say must, let me put it like this. he lost the fraud judgment so if he doesn't pay it, they'll start to take his buildings. he does have the right to appeal if he puts up a bond for the fraud judgment. you are required under law to do that to appeal a fraud loss and he is in new york courts and new york legal requirements matter and apply to him like any other person. but no one, no bank, no hedge fund, no institution has yet stepped up to fund donald trump, to put money down which he then would use to say, okay, they're holding on to that until he appeals. the reason is very important. trump is frustrated. he's begging for help from people who have apparently money, unlike him. he is, quote, hitting up high dollar donors, not just for campaign cash at this juncture

as the general election gets into full steam but, quote, also to see whether they might guarantee his bond. the details of trump's fundraising show how all of this is clashing together because he has an agreement with the rnc that donor money, some of it goes to a pac which pays trump lawyers before the republican national committee gets its funds. that's just for money going to them. you can only imagine what's happening with the money that goes to donald trump's political groups, political action committees, it's becoming clear as we barrel towards this deadline that trump may not be able to come up with not only the funds himself but with anyone who will post the bond for him. >> nobody wants to lend him the money in this country anyway. who knows what's going to happen with russia and saudi arabia because they know he doesn't pay his bills back. >> is there any effort on the part of your team to secure this money through another country, saudi arabia or russia as joy

behar seems to think? >> there's rules and regulations that are public. i can't speak about strategy that requires certain things. we have to follow those rules. >> you heard that word salad was not exactly a no, we won't let the saudis fund this. remember, donald trump spent a lot of time telling everyone, especially his own supporters, that because he was so rich he was independent, he couldn't be bought off, he wasn't worried about his next job or going into lobbying or what happened in washington. by the way, it is true that some politicians go on and do those things, that is a problem. we've covered that problem but apparently it turns out it is not true donald trump is independent as a billionaire because apparently he's not that kind of billionaire. you have a president with his own lawyers in public not able to disavow that a foreign government would fund him and thus own a piece of him. as we reported last night, trump has asked his own supporters to simply keep giving money so the

government would not put its hands on trump tower. what you see on your screen is an actual recent email basically doing fundraising wherein stead of a bond company covering this trump is suggesting maybe his own fans who allegedly apparently have less money than him would cover his bills. those republican donors, both small and large, apparently are skeptical. trump's lawyers have asked over 25 bond companies, separate different financial companies that do this, to put up a stake where they would say, okay, you've got your buildings, we've got the money, they're all saying no. even the high risk ones, the ones that might have maga republican people in leadership, they all, banks and lenders alike, saying no. when you are rebuffed by over 25 lenders, it's clear you're not a normal liquid billionaire and it's clear that these bankers have taken a drake attitude towards trump. the canadian rapper famously

said, i can't talk to broke boys. yeah, i can't talk to broke boys, end quote. well, these bankers don't talk to broke boys or broke elderly billionaires, and by the way, we are still using that wd loosely, charitably and somewhat at times skeptically because donald trump's message, and reminder to everyone, he is running for president right now, he is the republican presumptive nominee, still claiming to be a billionaire. it is a very oxymoronic stance to publicly say you're a billionaire, just that special kind rare billionaire we don't usually hear about, be the billionaire who can't pay debts u the billionaire who needs handouts, the billionaire who can't even secure bond funding. any traditional billionaire, especially one with multiple bs could either pay this up front or easily arrange the credit in lending. so, what kind of billionaire is

donald trump? again, i'm not saying this as criticism and i'm not saying it's better to be rich or poor, i'm just saying that he is not who he said he was. donald trump's lawyers admitting, i'll show you what they say, that getting this kind of money by this deadline money would be, quote, virtually impossible for him. and the use of real estate as class ral, the new york attorney general points out in a new filing pushing back on that claim is, quote, hardly impossible as a general matter. let me explain to you exactly what she's saying there. if you actually own the property, as anyone with any kind of house knows, well, it does provide collateral. that's literally what it is. in other words, you have your house and you can use it as collateral for credit. you don't need to be a big new york real estate kingpin to know that. the attorney general responding to that admission from trump's lawyers is basically saying, you must not own those properties. so you don't have the liquid money to put -- just put it in

escrow while you do the appeal and you don't have properties you outright own that bond companies would use as collateral which raises the deeper question for someone who is running for president on business acumen, his message is not i've been a con man all of these years, his message is i'm really rich, the fraud ruling is unfair, it wasn't a fraud, but to respond to appeal the fraud ruling, he looks like, well, there's a lot of fraud because he can't show there was money that's at issue in the underlying case. the government eyeing donald trump's different properties. they mentioned trump tower. according to bloomberg, they're looking at seven springs upstate, something they could take to cover the costs. you can see from the overhead shot there, it does look like a nice piece of land if they really own it. it's in upstate. the company -- the company that the trump family keeps there, they call it their compound. they've called it a place they

like to relax and the new york government through the attorney general's office is saying something they might take possession of. as for donald trump himself, here's what he claimed he had recently under oath. >> i don't need the money. you probably see the cash. we have a lot of cash. i believe we have substantially in excess of 400 million cash which is a lot for a developer. developers usually don't have cash. they have assets, not cash, but we have i believe 400 plus and going up very substantially every month. >> that's not just some claim at a campaign rally. he was there at an oath setting in a deposition that he had originally fought off claiming that he had interestingly about 400 million in cash. he does not have it. if he had 400 million in cash, he would have put it up already by monday and he wouldn't have lawyers saying in new legal filings, where their career, their truth is on the line, that

they don't have any ability that would be almost impossible to cover this. the meanwhile, trump's political action committee is plowing over $5.5 million into the legal bills. that's last month alone. comes out to over 190 k per day on lawyers and legal fees. again, not money that he can afford. apparently he needs to get a handout from others in order to cover his own lawyers. now there is a well-known way out of these financial dealings, i wet you've heard of it. it's called bankruptcy. it's something donald trump's companies have used before. there are plenty of people in business who say you can use the bankruptcy laws and come back solvent or rich. whether or not that would be a business option, trump has decided against it over, quote, concern that it could damage his campaign. you think? you think if you spent decades claiming you were a billionaire and the first time you had to publicly put up money you declare bankruptcy, that might

damage your brand, that might make, i don't know, 1 out of 20, 1 out of 10 republican fans think skeptically about the story they've been sold. donald trump according to the 2020 results, he needs to make up voters to make up the edge of 7 million he had down. this story while financial is also political, it's also electoral. trump's finances are under that crunch. politically the fundraising numbers, this is a subset but related issue, trump and the rnc now have $50 million, 45 million if you count it up, him and the rnc, they are one. that's cash on hand. we have these numbers officially because they're regulated. you have to report this into the government. rules still matter. 45 million. let me show you what biden and dnc had on their side. about 97 million. about double in the most recent numbers that are available. so this is a picture of a

mismatch. you do not want to be running 100% behind in funding month after month in funding because that means you could be outspent double on tv ads in ohio, the ground game in florida, all of the other things we talk about and this is how they fund it. this is a problem for trump whether he claims to be rich or not. biden, well, he's using this to stunt on the victory here and take a dig. he told a joke at a recent gaerk of democrats in dallas, it was a fund-raiser, speaking of cash that, quote, just the other day this defeated looking man came up to me and said, mr. president, i need your help. i'm in crushing debt. i'm completely wiped out. biden responded, donald, i'm sorry, i can't help you. trump's finances are also seeping out beyond just the news environment or the people who follow, you know, new york bond fraud appeals rulings, which is not everyone's cup of tea, but

if you just watch tv or you're online watching the late night shows, you will hear about it. >> something tells me over the weekend trump is going to start talking about how strong vladimir putin is and a dump truck of rubles will appear. >> trump didn't fill out a bracket because he doesn't have the 10 bucks to join the pool. >> we should not turn our elections into another stand-in for another billionaire rich wall street debate. indeed, as i've told you at other times in other ways, our political system is already too tied to and to distorted by big money. but we do have two nominees and one of them claims to be a billionaire. one of them claims to be successful. one of them claims to be good at business and good at dealing with the law and delay, delay, delay, all the other things we hear. is it possible that the story

does not always remain the same, that the financial pressure on donald trump, which is over $600 million if you total the fraud thing i've been telling you tonight and the defamation that went over 90 million and other 50 million in other legal fees and the appeal, is it possible all of this stuff is building up and the story is changing because the billionaire might be broke? which means we really might have to stop referencing him being a billionaire. our nation turns its lonely eyes to michael steele who makes sense of so many things that don't make sense. michael, good to see you. we'll get into this in 60 seconds.

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>> absolutely. i'll put the chart back up. it seems bad for trump to be this far behind biden at this early stage in the general election. do you see all the cash stuff combining into a larger problem, both personally and be for the campaign? >> absolutely. donald trump has been bleeding money out to lawyers and others for the last four or five years and so he's not even as he has set himself up since the 2020 election to run again being able to stockpile some cash, to sort of roll out at the beginning of this campaign with about 75, 80, $100 million in the bank to put the pressure on the incumbent president to catch up to him. because, after all, all he had to do was raise money for the last four years, whereas, joe biden, limited by being in had office, did not have that capacity to the same degree. so, yeah, you see an environment in which a couple of things be have now crashed into reality.

one, the judgments against him compounded with the legal fees compounded with the fact the rnc ended the fourth quarter of 2023 with $8 million in the bank. so what's notable about that 44 million is there's not a whole lot coming out of the rnc. a lot of that $44 million is money that donald trump has raised through his operations. so typically in that situation you would think a significant portion or at least half of that would be rnc money, but it's not. compounded again by the fact that they do not have the wherewithal to raise that money. you now have the rnc compressed by putting his daughter-in-law in place, chris lecavita and others to try to figure out how

to siphon off some of those dollars. that's what they're doing. >> should we even be saying billionaire? >> no. no. you shouldn't be. no. stop it. no. >> because that goes to -- that goes to the business brand he built. i want to show you some quotes from republicans, michael. i'll remind you you used to run the party, perhaps in a different phase of this party, but if you're a billionaire, why are we having a public discussion, which would be inaccurate and/or humiliating nguyen other republicans are being asked if they can spot you money. senator johnson said i've contributed enough. senator till lis says i'm not very liquid myself. another senator who's less of a trump fan at times says i'm optimistic he'll figure it out, add sarcasm as needed. senator graham, ever the jokester, says i've got about 12 bucks. even this discussion seems to underscore that donald trump is not liquid, may not even be, you

know, rich. >> he's -- he's not. and the thing about -- has always been the narrative. when trump is sitting there in depositions, $400 million in cash. no, he's lying. he doesn't. he didn't. now, if i'm an attorney i'm sitting there going, i've got this deposition saying you have 400 million, now you're sitting here telling us the weekend before the due date you don't have the cash. what happened to the $400 million you claimed? were you lying in the deposition about your assets? >> uh-huh. >> or are you lying now? that's the problem with trump. it's all a lie. and so no one in this -- in this entire, you know, reality -- tv reality moment for him has held him accountable up until tisch james and bragg and others who are now beginning to squeeze him and say, okay, here you go. put up or shut up. and he -- you know, he clearly

can't do both because he's not putting up anything and he refuses to shut up. >> what does a general election campaign look like if it remains this cash strapped or do you think ultimately this is a lot of gyration but by the fall republican party is aligned with a lot of big money and the money will flow back in enough to make it roughly even? >> yeah, i think the money will flow back in. the question is to what degree it flows back in. will he be able to really on a consistent basis put cash into play for a campaign? the problem is as these fundraising letters, the fine print in the letters tell you, a portion of every dollar you give is going to either trump's super pac or the rnc's commitment to put some of that money into play for donald trump's legal fees. all of it becomes more problematic the closer you get to the pressure of a general

campaign where you need every dollar on the ground to turn out your vote, to run the tv ads, to fund little things like oh, placards and signs -- yard signs, right? all the things that we're used to seeing in a campaign. part of that, i think, what people need to be prepared for, and i've been trying to warn this the last couple of weeks, is that the ugliness, the vitriol,petulence and the name-calling and the allegations about stalling elections and all of that are going to be rampant to sort of fear monger his base into taking little shekels and their pennies and dollars and putting it into his kitty. and so you're going to have this kind of sort of effect of, you know, expansion and contraction. expansion and contraction. expand when they put the money in, it will contract when he puts it out to pay his legal bills. >> a little psa for any

republican donors explaining, read your fine print. 100% of it may not go everywhere you want. michael, good to see you. i'll remind folks "the weekend," when is that show on? on the weekend saturdays and sundays 8 a.m. eastern time. by the end of the hour we have a discussion of political division in this maga era. it might be difficult. our good friend john flannery is at the desk on the dwindling legal options. what happens if he blows the monday legal deadline? we'll get into the legal part next.

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case. this is in new york, different states do it different ways. you have every right to appeal and he has afforded the appeal. you don't get to run out the clock. that would incentive advise the person. you put up the money or the bond. >> right. >> in this case he is admitting he's going to have a hard time doing that. >> right. >> if he can't put up the legally required bond by monday, then what happens? >> what's going to happen is first of all the bond is to protect those who are at risk. if he doesn't put up the bond while he's appealing. it's to hold people in their same positions. meaning, you can appeal with you make sure you have the funds because our risk on your frivolous appeal is all your funds. his lawyers have said there's a practical impossibility to do it. ironically the possibility is how do you value the land assets that he claims to have that are worth so much. >> which were deemed often fraudulently described in the loop? >> right. the people who would put up the

bonds according to their own people are saying, we're not taking anything as collateral because in different cases they've said the property is worth more, which is what they do here? >> so does he lose the right to appeal it? >> no, he doesn't lose the right to appeal. he can appeal while she takes -- i say she takes, the attorney general, and the government, can take his funds. >> which fair is fair. >> right. >> say they take 7 springs which bloomberg was reporting as an option. >> right. >> if legally unlikely but possible event that the fine is drastically changed, then what, they give it back? >> well, at the end -- well, what -- as long as the appeal is pending, those funds -- those properties are tied up. >> right. >> but the court has appointed barbara jones, who i used to share offices with when she was a young assistant u.s. attorney -- >> i'd call it a name drop but nobody knows who she is. >> she is monitor for -- >> i know who she is -- >> okay.

i figured you would. this is what you do. >> you know. she's the monitor. legal nerds know. >> so the question the judge put to her is to find out if they put up any property, what did you -- what did you -- >> what is it really worth? >>. >> yes. >> who owns it. many of these buildings which we had an indication of, he's not a public company so we didn't know sure. bond companies said, no, you don't really own this. i want to turn you to a different topic. >> this is your show. >> respect. mar-a-lago. we've heard from one of the key witnesses, jack smith is credible, brian butler, take a look at what he told us. >> i think the former president, you know, if he thinks he did nothing wrong, he should -- he should -- he should have cooperated from the beginning. why would you need to ask questions about video footage? >> you think you observed part of a coverup? >> i -- i think it's very possible.

if he really believed those were his documents, you know, why was i vouching for carlos? walt calls me and asks me, somebody just wants to make sure he's good. i think there's obviously some type of obstruction. >> your thoughts of him as a witness? >> he's a great witness because he doesn't go beyond the facts he knows. why did you tell us to move the documents out? why did you look for the videos? why did you delete the videos? why did you ask is he loyal, carlos de oliveira. and then trump while butler is still present calls carlos and says to him, i'm glad you're loyal and i'll arrange to appoint a lawyer. fast. >> damning. >> easy, damning, over. >> damning, firsthand, not hearsay. >> yeah. >> on more than one topic, good to see you here. >> good to see you. >> i love it. we have art reflecting society in a song that actually captures so much of america's divide.

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product not by making its own products better but by making others worse. monopolies affect the market. >> tough talk. this is a time where biden is running a campaign with its technology. they are saying they have the evidence of monopoly. the case works along with 15 plus states and alleges that apple violated clear antitrust laws, made it harder or more expensive for users and developers to leave and they use shape-shifting rules and restrictions in the store to thwart innovation and throttle innovation and drive up fees and prices meaning it hurts you and the consumers versus competitors. there is a competitive moat around the iphone. the idea is that apple, which of course has contributed to the economy and created a lot of wealth and created a lot of

interesting tech, it has now turned into a kind of tightly controlled device mmonopoly. it keeps costs high, competition at bay and if you are an iphone user and you find it's harder to deal with someone on an android, the government is saying there's a reason. apple says that its tight control and rules are part of iphone security and that companies can sell on the app store or not. free market talk. their statement also says if successful, this new biden administration suit would hinder the ability to create the kind of tech people expect and would empower the government to take a heavy hand in designing people's technology. this is a big clash and we are going to be covering it on this program because it matters in so many ways. this is the third time the doj has come after one of these companies in the last ten plus years. it's also part of what president biden said he would do, which is crack down on big tech after a period of hands off kind of

deregulatory energy from the trump administration. now over the past four years we've seen suits against google, meta, amazon and national news and congressional hearings looking at their powers. >> facebook's very model makes it impossible for new companies to flourish separately and that harms our democracy. >> every time that google pops up as something that you just happen to bump into, it's not by coincidence. the justice department says that's not fair. >> they really powerfully accused apple of being essentially a greedy mnopolist here. >> that is the tough stance taken by the government. and apple does have a point that you don't want the government to do this in a manner that is selective or lopsided or does interfere with the things people like about technology, but if you've noticed that these companies seem all powerful, today the biden justice department under merrick garland says it's not an accident, it's abuse, it's monopolies stick, it

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state of the union, which is a big tradition. it's only one time you have parties -- people from basically across the aisle all gather in the room and listen to something and the country watches. this year you had republicans breaking decorum. you had the president giving it back pretty good knowing that's what democrats want to see, a fighter right now. there are common kind of almost cliche calls that we just need a better dialogue. famed centrist david brooks says maybe it's as simple as talking to each other with social courage, crossing group lines to have conversations, and dialogue can be great. it also has its limits. you at least need some basic respect across parties if you're going to talk. you need to have some kind of common facts and so it's more than just saying let's all talk. there is a big hit song and music video that explores some of these tensions and nuances. i want to share it with you right now. skilled lir assist joiner lukas

wrapping both sides of the maga debate. showing the limits of the dialogue. show you this. it features joiner's voice as he narrates two opposing views. so reflected out of the mouths of two different actors. hear first as it is in the song comes the so-called maga side. ♪ blame it all on the menu. blame it on no drinks. blame it on everybody except for your own race. blame it on white privileges and blame it on the vice president. >> bunch of class clowns. how dare you make demands. you going to stand for this country. >> i'm not racist, i'm just prepared for this type of war. >> quote, i'm not racist, i'm just prepared for this type of war. end quote. and then in this music video we hear the same voice or the artist inhabiting a different perspective. ♪ and even though the rock was half as black. you hated president obama. you couldn't be wait to get him

out and put a cracker back and you gave us donald trump and now it's pay back for that. i'm not racist. i never lied. i know there's a disconnect between your culture and mine. you can't buy money and power and the cracker in you. your brain start to convince you you teach it to your children and "the cycle" continue. blame it on puerto rico. blame it on o.j. blame it on everybody except for your own race. >> blame it on everybody except your own race, quote, end quote. you can see there in the art life reflected or maybe the art challenging us to think a little bit deeper about the lives we want to live together. as for joiner lukas, he's known for a wide breadth in his art, hit collabs with logic. four albums, two grammy nominations, co-founder of tele. his upcoming album, not now, i'm busy, available for pre-sale. there's the face and here's the man. artist joiner lukas making his

beat debut for this special fall back conversation along with the nation's joan walsh, friend of the beat. welcome to both of you. >> what's up, man. i appreciate that. >> we appreciate that. >> thank you, man. what were you showing in that dialogue, in that powerful video. it might be new to some viewers but it's got hundreds of millions of views and listens. >> i think i was trying to force an uncomfortable conversation amongst two parties. we can sit down and tell each other how we feel and hug it out versus being a different story which is what usually happens when those conversations are had. >> what did it mean to you to both inhabit as an artist those perspectives and then have, as we saw, this red hat, white american maga man but he was speaking in your voice but then your voice was using words that might not be okay for him to use. what were you doing with all of that? what did you want us to take with that?

>> in those records, started telling perspective records i think come from, you know, a higher power. i think that i'm actually channelling through something greater than me that's allowing me to pen them type of records and get those conversations going. i've never been racist but i've been able to tap into, you know, the mind of somebody who is racist in order to create that. >> yeah. i have a weird question for you and then i'm going to bring joan in. in doing that work, trying to -- whatever you do to create that, did you at any point feel somehow closer to or empathetic with what that character was doing? >> oh, yeah. yeah. of course. of course. i've experienced racism, you know what i'm saying? i've experienced it. doing the other part was a little bit more easier to do, but the beginning part -- >> but doing the maga part was harder at first? >> harder at first. again, i feel like it's -- you know, i was channelling something, you know, greater than me to be able to, you know,

write that record and a lot of other records that i write that have two sides perspective. >> yeah. i think it's really important. i think there was a kind of empathy there that, you know, i as a white person don't necessarily feel towards those attitudes. >> right. >> but in a way you've had to deal -- you've had to deal with it all of your life. i thought that the line about, you know, getting rid of president obama and, i mean, i just always think that trump is their pay back -- >> right. >> -- for obama and just led so directly from obama to trump, it's a lot of white people think about it that way. so i was glad to see that there, too. >> i agree with you. >> why is it so important for everyone to say i'm not racist? we hear that a lot. >> i think a lot of -- are you talking about racist people or people in general? >> i hear it a lot from people, let me say it as charitably as

possible. i hear it from people who are espousing views, positions, and candidates who are anti-civil rights. the first time i saw this video, i kind of laughed and then i was like, wait, there's a lot in here. >> in speaking to that specifically in the song it's like i doubled down and emphasized i'm not racist, my sister-in-law's baby cousin has a girl. it seems like a lot of people who are racist always have a black friend or a black relative or a black family member. they have to somehow justify that they know somebody that's black and, you know what i mean? >> and that protects them. that means they can't be racist. >> they can't be racist, yeah. >> it's deep because one of the achievements of the civil rights movement in america is that even people holding certain views or advocating certain policies still won't come back the other way around, like they won't at

least at a verbal level be 1950 and say they're pro-segregation. they are racist in that way. so they're in denial. that's how bad it is to be accused of racism. >> that's right. people think it's worse to be called racist than to be racist. the ultimate insult. >> we got our fallbacks, but since i have you here, i want to show a little more of the other stuff. it's not all that like, although that's really interesting. here's a little more joyner lucas. ♪ woke up at 7 ♪ got dressed and rode to school on my skateboard, i sat alone making notes. >> we been rocking with each other for so long maybe that's why it's been harder to move on. ♪♪ ♪ i know you ain't saying names but i got a feeling you talking to me ♪ ♪ i hate when he demons get into

my soul ♪ >> what comes to mind when you look at the record and tell us about the new project? >> once i release a video or song, i never listen to it again. once it's gone, it's gone. i spent so much time writing it and spent so much time crafting a lot of the production and directing the music videos and editing it. you have to listen to the thousands of times. once it's done, it's like, i don't want to hear it again. so first and foremost, thank you for going through that. >> respect. >> like wow, i forgot sometimes i forget i have done all that. but you asked me what does it feel like -- there the new project and what you're doing next. go ahead. >> so the name of the album is called not now, i'm busy. and you know, i think that on this project, it really just tells a story of where i'm at in my life at this point. and just juggling a lot of

different things. you know, having to prioritize different things and there's also a double meaning. people who listen to the album, it's all about growing. i would say. it's all about -- it's all about growing and gaining a new perspective. and killing my old self, you know, to become a new person. >> i love that. we like growing around here. >> that's what the blood symbolizes. >> something has to die to be born. >> absolutely. >> joan, i have a minute left. it's still a fallback. >> i want rfk jr. to fall back for many reasons. we all saw that horrible super bowl ad where he put his own face on his uncle, president kennedy's face. really sort of just disparaging his heritage. he's got -- we have a lot of kennedys getting back into politics over this.

it's to oppose bobby jr., not to support him. and speaking of what you were speaking of, he's also got the racist former sheriff of los angeles doing latinos for bobby outreach. he's going to be speaking on cesar chavez's birthday. he was a great labor leader and friend and ally to the real bobby kennedy. and so again, it's a desecration of both the memories and the beliefs of chavez and his father, bobby. he's just a shape shifter, man. >> you think biden has a third party problem here? >> i think there are several people who are going to run. so collectively, there's a third party problem. i don't know if it adds up to bobby. i have known him for years. i think the more people know him, know his story, and know this kind of shape shifting, anti-vaccine, anti-gun control, huckster that he has become, i

don't think he's going to have a lot of appeal. >> it's interesting, anyone can run, but the most kennedy thing about rfk at this point is his last name and not much else. >> he's trading on it. that's what you saw in the super bowl ad. >> if there was an obama niece, nephew off the platforms. >> totally different politics. >> people are going to ask, is that red hat, is it a maga hat? they're going to ask. >> this hat? no, this is a not now i'm busy. >> there you go. i tell you one thing that music and politics have in common, you ought to get your merch right. thanks for being here. i'm a fan. >> thank you so much. >> nice to meet you. i hope you come back. joan, always good to have you. we'll be right back. but this is my story. ( ♪♪ ) and with once-daily trelegy, it can still be beautiful. because with 3 medicines in 1 inhaler,

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